Obviously I missed some huge discussion earlier today about server changes etc etc. I know we have a news section and a changelog but they only are used when something actually happens. So the suggestion is when ideas are "suggested" on the server or there is have "discussions" on current things and to change them or not, how about then we have a section where the chat logs/screenshots/ some form of informing us what happened is posted. Otherwise people who missed it have to hear second hand what was suggested and it never is correctly told what was said or how the discussion went (since it is one persons opinion and viewpoint).

I actually REALLY like this idea. Second hand information never goes over well...it's so much like the telephone game. Just having an area where we can read up on everything would avoid the massive amount of confusion that tends to happen when people miss out.

Being able to discuss everything would be great. Personally, I'd enjoy an area to talk about current polls, and why we voted what we did. I know that would have been really nice to have when the recent "warper costing zeny poll" was up. Certainly I couldn't have been the only one with reasons behind my opinion other than "it's stupid" or "it's awesome". xD

I actually made a blog for this where people may discuss updates, and things that were suggested, but only one person used it so I stopped updating it.

http://davidthedaydreamer.blogspot.com

Though I do agree with what you're saying. Not even I'm told about these updates until they actually happen... probably same goes with anyone else on the staff team except for Kisuka, whose the only one that does anything such as this.

Yeah but I think it should be an on forums section. That way people could A: Find it easier and B: not have to sign up on another site.

You don't need to sign up. It's just there. I was hoping for the link to the blog to be mentioned under all updates and news when posted on the forum, and have the blog brought up when a suggestion was well, suggested in-game. Obviously I needed help from Kisuka to do that, and of course, that failed... Reason for the blog, instead of a section on the forum, was to be on other social networking sites and not just limited to a few sites like the forum and the main site. Like, getting involved in more ways than one.

I always tell people to bring it to the forum just for this reason >.>

if you say something in the middle of town it just dissapears in a second and no one even got it. The way i see it is the forums is the only place to vent and talk everything over. The game should be for playing and having fun -.- not some drama court room. I don't think anyone will take the time to save chat logs of conversations in game, in game everyone just wants to get their word in

I get your point about making a separate forum for this and it might work out very well, I don't know if it will or not but it could also incourage people to use the town as a drama court room and rant out loud. Where the game should be for playing. I believe instead of this, tips should be added to encourage people to rant on the forums instead of the town should be made. Although both these suggestions could work equally well.

I know the game has reached a point for some people that its not a game anymore, it's like a society or a buiseness. And in a society or a buiseness people are afraid of change because they like stuff they are used to. If someone has a suggestion they shouldn't log onto town and tell it to everyone, that will shock them and they will reject you, so i see the forums as the only chance you are going to get to get something accepted. Because people take the time to look it over thouroghly and think of a nice reply. Also GMs look over the forums, they do not sort through all of the games chat logs, thats rediculous.

Also forums last alot longer than some text.

games are for playing, unless you are a GM or something it's not a buiseness, however you can vent like it is, on the forums...

Either or, I personally think that this should happen in whatever form it comes in. Although I prefer the blog (because it gives me something to do).

Thats exactly what I'm getting at to try to remove in game suggestions and bring them all to the forum/blogs and have them never reach the game. It would be better to start them in the forums then to try and get them from the game to the forums, that's just extra work.

so basically what I'm saying is not to tell people to suggest in game and move it to forums later, instead have tips pop up or hourly announcements that you should bring your suggestiong straight to the forum.

This isn't about user suggested ideas, this is about GM suggested ideas that get made into polls and removed before you even know what the heck is going on. I also think it should be on the forums themselves and not a separate blog site, reason being that's what forums are for.

I know but same should apply with GMs, they shouldn't just log on and and give their idea, when it's on the forum it's more likely that people accept it.

Considering 99% of the server doesn't use the forums, and 90% of that are to lazy to check even if asked I don't think pop up tips will alter that much. Besides this idea is more meant for if Kisuka has an idea and announces it via in game. Or if he holds the group meetings like we have had before. All I want really is a new section where Kisuka will post the chat log if something like this happens so I can actually read what happened and not have to rely on "he said she said".

which is exactly why we need forum tips... to get more people to start using the forum.

I've also noticed that everytime kisuka does go and suggest something in game everyone flips out. Compared to Kisu's post on the forums where everyone agrees with him all of a sudden. What I mean is people look through things with more care on the forums than in game. Bringing chat logs of the rediculas stuff that happens in game would defeat the purpose of just going to the forum first.

I know that won't happen because of what you said that no one uses the forum but if we encouraged people to use the forums then more of the players and kisu's suggestions would be accepted.

We just need to promote the forum by perhaps an activity oriented way. Such as, doing forum events that players would be able to obtain prizes or gain something worth while. From what I've gathered, reasons for not being engaged on the forum are; it lags them when they're on RRO and don't want to waste time on the forum to take away from game time, they don't even know about it, aren't concerned about what happens until it affects them personally, don't know how to present their suggests or ideas in a way that won't make them sound convincing, or simply don't like the idea of forums. Maybe this will give them the motivation. Or, advertise it in a more presentable and interesting way to hook them into using the forum.

Actually, posting the chatlogs wouldn't be such a bad idea, because perhaps someone missed something or wants to read the chat over again and have ideas hatch from that, then add on to what has already been said on the forum. Since not everyone is on all at the same time, it would be of helpful use. Just highlight or bold the parts that are actually about the discussion, or remove the junk that has nothing to do with the topic.

yea... But kisu can get on the game and tell everybody he made a suggestion on the forum, it will force them to go there... I know nobody likes the forum but there should be a way to get people to at least check the updates on it...

Forum scavenger hunt ftw

True, but sometimes suggestions just happen suddenly. Usually when that happens, you get so excited about the idea that you just let it all out in-game, rather than stop and post it on the forum. What I mean is that if that were to happen, then post the chatlog. Of course, Kisuka could just directly suggest it on the forum and that would definitely bring people here.

That is exactly what I want. Even if using the forums is pushed ideas will still be suggested via game, this way people can see what happened on the server while they were offline. I hate hearing people try and explain it to me with most of the important parts missing.